Here's some highlights:
Robert Hirsch - a guy worth listening to. Claims no change since last year. Peak oil is on track. Dept of Defense has published 2012 as the possible peak data with a 10 mbpd decline by 2015. That's dramatic. Hirsch estimates a 16% decline of world GDP in the decade after the decline starts based on the correlation of GDP with oil production.
Hirsch expects the mass psychology (based on the previous two crisis of 73 and 79) to be: panic, fuel shortages, large price increases, stock market declines, deepening recession, inflation, rising unemployment. I'd like to add windfall profit taxes and punishment of speculators.
Hirsch rightly defines "the problem" as a liquid fuels problem, not a general energy problem.
Robert Rapier, chemical engineer.
US per capital oil consume is 23bbl/per person/per year. China's is 2. The big Peak Oil question today is: How does the US come out of recession when oil prices hover at recession inducing levels.
An overlooked point regarding Energy Return On Energy Invested (EROEI) is that it will take more energy (also more man-power) to create that energy and that the energy invested needs to be subtracted from what is produced. E.g. 6 mbpd of oil sands oil is not worth as much as 6 mbpd of light sweet Saudi crude, because substantially more of that 6 mbpd oil sands oil had to be reinvested in keeping production going.
Global warming is really out of US and EU control. US and EU CO2 emissions are declining and a complete end of US and EU emissions only puts the world back to the mid 90s.
Jeff Reuben, Part 2.
Continues his theme that oil prices constrain economic growth. Does not expect much higher price movement immediately.
Charlie Maxwell, Verteran Energy Analyst
Thinks the Peak is 2016 at 95 mbpd and that resource nationalism is a key supply constraint. Refining capacity for high-sulphur fuel will allow a lot more Saudi sour crude to be sold. Thinks shortages show up in 2015 and that there will be at least 15 years of shortages.
Thinks that energy efficiency is the best investing theme.
Natural gas production is going to increase but mom and pop drillers are going to take a beating as they will not be able to keep up with the required technology. Mid-cap high-tech shale drillers should be winners.
Afterwards I complimented him on his CVE pick and asked him if he still liked it and he said it was still his number 1 pick and that SU is also great.
Wes Jackson, President Of The Land Institute gave the lunch key note speech and gave an agriculture needs to be sustainable speech and got a standing ovation. This clearly shows that ASPO is aligning itself with the general "green" sustainable movement and cannot be considered to be an objective energy obsever any more.
Gail Tverberg, Dmitri Orlov and Nicole Foss - gave their view of the economic implications of Peak Oil. The consensus is the financial system (fiat money loaned into existence) is doomed because all the debt depends on economic growth to pay off and Peak Oil crimps the economy. Nicole Foss says "cash" is what you want to hold. Orlov says it doesn't matter whether its inflation or deflation: if you don't have any money you can't buy anything. Quite gloomy.
I decided I'd heard enough and decided not to stay for the fund raiser dinner or sit in for the "investors round table" Saturday.
My raw detailed notes follow.
MontyHigh, www.worldofwallstreet.us
Robert Hirsh, author
Thoughts on declining world oil production.
He's right... Its a liquid fuels problem. Long-term we could shift some applications to electricity, but not soon.
No changes to the Peak Oil prognosis since last year. Soon decline. No quick fixes. Increasing economic distress.
All liquids are in a production range (6%) since 2004.
Dept of defense says speak 2012 and down 10 mbpd by 2015. Lots of other organizations are on-board.
Hirsch believe is that we stay in the plateau for 1 to 4 years and then the long decline.
Administration Mitigation:
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Rationing, Forced Carpooling, Forced Telecommuting, Misc.
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Physical Mitigation – energy efficiency (light duty vehicles), EOR, oil sands, Venezuela heavy oil, gas-to-liquids, coal-to-liquids. There's 100T$ of capital that runs on liquid fuels.
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Best case on mitigation is 36 mbpd in 20 years.
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But world coal production is also peaking. Canadian oil sands limit is 6 mbpd.
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What about shale gas (not shale oil)? GTL and direct powering of fleet is neither quick nor inexpensive.
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Best case mitigation overcomes decline only after a decade. We are late starting.
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Extrapolates a 16% drop of world GDP in the decade after the decline starts.
Likely mass psychology (based on the previous two crisis, 73, 79):
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Panic
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Fuel shortages-
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Large price increases
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Stock market declines.
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Deepening recession
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Inflation
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Increasing unemployment.
Wind and solar won't help – this is a liquid fuels problem and they are intermittent.
Hirsch claims Peak Oil will trump climate change as soon as it kicks in.
Again, this could kick in 1 to 4 years. But the mass psychology could change at any moment.
Robert Rapier – chemical engineer. Live in hawaii after growing up in OK.
Navigating a new reality.
He thinks about this every day. He could pitch Peak Oil everyday, but is trying to come up with some new stuff.
US barrel is 23/person/yr. China's is 2.
Big question: How do you come out of recession when oil prices hover at recession inducing levels.
Don't say “Peak Oil” say “Resource Depletion”.
Don't get hung up on the Peak itself. There's definitely not enough oil to meet $100 demand.
Shale Oil is not Oil Shale-- Shale Oil is what we get with frac'ing. Oil Shale is like mining the moons of Saturn for methane. Its there but its not worth getting.
Beware EROEI. Globally EROEI is declining (e.g. oil sands). The good news is it will take more effort to create that energy. The bad part is the energy invested needs to be subtracted from the 85 mbpd what we need. This is a good point.
A process with poor EROEI could be economical.
There is no time unit in EROEI.
Biomass inputs are frequently omitted.
Inputs and consumed energy are often conflated.
Carbon Emission Quandary
US per capita CO2 emissions is 4x the world. But the emerging world has more capitas. China emits more CO2 emissions. Only 35% of Indians know what global warming is. Only 20% of Chinese think its a problem. Even if US and EU emissions went to zero we'd only go back to the mid 90s and it would still be growing.
US and EU emissions are decling, but the rest of the world emissions are rapidly rising.
Perhaps putting a tarriff on high carbon emitters might have an impact.
What's ahead?
Idealistc future – green economy takes over and we are saved. They are right it takes a lot more man-hours to make renewable energy than to to get high EROEI energy.
Realistic
green delusions come to an end.
Coal, natural gas and nuclear will provide the bulk of global electricity.
Crude oil provides the bulk of our fuels at higher prices
Higher CO2 emissions.
CTL, GTL, tar sands – dirty energy is coming.
More difficult food vs fuel tradeoffs.
Oil exporters become richer relative to consumers.
Jeff Reuben – What does the post-peak world look like.
Jeff's definition of Peak is different from most in this room. His definition depends on what the cost of the energy is. What matters is how much oil we can afford to burn. Today oil prices are over $100/bbl. At $100/bbl oil sands are on route to 3 mbpd. At $200 maybe 6 mbpd. When he thinks of Peak Oil he thinks of it as an economics situation: Price. We are at Jeff's kind of Peak. The impact prices are having on our ability to consume. The Peak is on what we can afford.
High prices trigger recession. The debt crisis is a response to an oil induced recession (all that stimulus). His take on the debt is a little bit different than the mainstream. It might as well be denominated in barrels of oil, because you need oil to get the economic growth oil provides to grow our way out of the deficits.
The US hasn't even begun the draconian measures needed to unwind those deficits. The current oil shock is not transient. This is now a permanent state of triple digit oil prices. Static economies make people unhappy. Folks don't have jobs. Immediate solution will be closing borders. That's a major change. Suspects government will look very different in the future. Further stimulus is out of the question. There won't be another round of coordinated stimulus. The kind services governments can provide will be quite different. Government services will be delivered thru minimum wage subcontractor not the high-paid government sector. Trade will be increasingly regionalized. Distance costs money. US deficit is equivalent to Greece's. Greece depends on Germany, but the US depends on its arch-enemy, China. In the new world, China will not be financing the US treasury. China's inflation is 6%. The cause is food and fool. Moving the Yuan against the US dollar would help. A 40% increase in the Yuan would ramp up oil prices in the US. In a world of zero-sum growth. The more China grows, the less the OECD grows.
As far economics go, we've already crossed the Peak and we are already in a world of triple-digit oil. We are now in a zero-sum world.
Where are we going with price? Hard to say, the economy can't grow with triple-digit oil prices. Oil prices will fall with the next oil price induced recession.
Q: Shouldn't we expect a pretty bad reaction (not just a static economy) when oil prevents growth given that growth is required service the debt? JEFF: That's right. The US exercise all kinds of debt default.
Charlie Maxwell -
World Peak 2015-2020.
Top 50 oil companies are in trouble – their Peak is 2013. They are negative Q3 over Q3 this year.
Thinks we'll hit 95 mbpd around 2016. That's 7 mbpd more than today's 88 mbpd. Then a plateau. 2020 it starts down. He doesn't pay to much attention to his own forecasts. He's learned not to.
Resource nationalism is a key factor constraining supply.
Refining capacity will allow more ready-to-go high-sulphur crudes (1-2 mbpd).
Peak Oil is geologic, demographic (too many people) and cost and could be political.
7 billion people. 1790 to get the first billion.
Who has Peaked: Russia, US, Mexico, Norway, UK, Oman, Argentina, Egupt, Columbia, Australia, Syria, Gabon, China (projected 2014). Russia could increase output but practical factors, not geologic, is keeping it under Peak. Mexico is similar. They could grow, but politically they can't.
Now the money comments after passing thru the standard stuff.
A huge cube: six sides
oil, gas, coal, nuclear, renewables (bio, wind, solar, hydro), conservation and efficiency (most important).
There are a lot of cases where you want to use it more efficiencies. This is the great investing opportunity. We'll have some small amount of growth.
Example: Heat-pumps separate active molecules from cold molecules (passive molecules). They are running around 50% conservation factor.
Efficiency will be our Saudi Arabia.
Another big factor is natural gas. Nuclear in the US is for a couple of generations.
Natural gas and efficiency are not enough. Shortages show up in 2015. There will be at least 15 years of tightness. This isn't doom and gloom. Happiness is often based on expectations. US mass psychology expectations are unrealistically high. There will be a blunting of expectations. The most healthy time for the Danish people ever was during the war years (43, 44 and 45) [no liquor, cigarettes, sugar, etc.]
Charlie thinks mom and pop gas drillers are going to take a beating (45% to 28% of natural gas). Mid-cap high-tech shale drillers should be the winners.
Wes Jackson, President The Land Institute
Bio fuels don't possibly scale. A 10-year has lived thru the burning of ¼ of all the oil ever burned.
Soil is more important than oil and is as much of a non-renewable resource as oil. The day will when we stop treating soil like dirt. The most important invention of the 20th century was turning atmospheric nitrogen into ammonia. Without this, 40% of humanity wouldn't be here.
Soil is as big an issue as oil. If we can keep our soils in place...
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